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Post by snail on Jun 20, 2012 14:06:24 GMT
Some good tips here, shocked at the length people will go to to steal a bike, looking at the washing line that is crazy but thinking about it, it is a dead giveaway that you have a bike! I only have my old supermarket bike at my house but I am more careful now. It's a shame when you work hard and you can't enjoy your bike without thinking who is following you home from Degla! This is security related so I thought I would ask if anyone knows who does the postcode etching on bikes. It's probably not relevant for an expensive bike but I was thinking more for my youth club. It's National Bike Week this week and as the kids are always coming to club on bikes I thought I would look into getting the postcodes on bikes and scooters.
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Post by thistle on Jun 22, 2012 12:18:32 GMT
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Post by oldgit on Jun 23, 2012 9:23:30 GMT
My daughter had her bike pinched from a "secure" out building; they unscrewed the hinges removed the bikes then replaced the hinges;didn't know they had gone till they were needed. My advice is to add "coach bolts" to all hinges and clasps.
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Post by Rupert on Jun 30, 2012 16:11:50 GMT
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Post by voodoopiles on Jun 30, 2012 16:28:58 GMT
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Post by lesz42 on Jun 30, 2012 22:32:16 GMT
maplin DVR kits are good, i sell loads of them tips are to use the rear cable exits for the cameras, if you have 4 camera kit, use at least one camera to watch another/facing the house pir lights can be used against you too, maybe run them off a timer? some peeps wear hoodies, have a low level ( eye) camera pointing to gate/entry/exit
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psj
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Post by psj on Jul 1, 2012 11:44:34 GMT
Totally agree with the cameras, i actually caught someone breaking into my car (a few years back when i lived in rhyl) managed to get them to run off i was hold a golf club. Police turned up and caught the guy, apparently looking into other cars. But they let him go as they said he was not carrying any stolen gear and it was my word against his. At least some cameras would have had a nice mugshot for evidence.
in my opinion if someone is going to the length of following you home, they know what they want are therfore most probably are going to get it.
Bikes transported inside the car out of view is the best way but not always possible
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Post by Mark hardtail dude on Jul 21, 2012 9:35:17 GMT
Having twice been done I have just invested in this combo... www.torc-anchors.com/proddetail.php?prod=Torc1-P16-x.x-UntouchableI didn't comprehend just how thick 16mm chain was until it arrived this morning Also bricked up the front of the garage and put in a solid hardwood door with two sash locks, both toughened steel so they can't be hacksawed. Was toying with the idea of a safehouse within the garage with another brick structure and further hardwood door, but thought that would be too much!!! Wasn't a cheap option, but once the anchor is fitted this week I'm going to contact my insurance as my premium has almost doubled as a result. I've also been given responsibility for bike thefts within Chester city center (think my boss wants someone with a vested interest in the subject!!), so if you live within that area and want some advice re bike security pop into the nick under the Town Hall... Excellent news that someone has some responsibility. So wheres my White Marin Palisades Trail that was nicked from outside Nicholas Street last year? At the time I reported it I was basically told I should have put more locks on it, checked it every five minutes and that there had been a lot of bike thefts and what did I expect them to do about it. I also got as far as 'mountain bike, white' before she lost interest and stopped taking details. The main problem facing us is that the consequences for bike theives simply dont exist. Maim the oxygen wasting scum, break their legs so they cant walk off with a bike. I have no idea why we live in a society that thinks that anyone perpetuating a crime has any rights. Locks/alarms/cctv are all absolute crap. what we need is a legal system that actually sends out a message that the consequences of stealing another persons property will be dire. dont get me started on insurance, mmmm thats a good idea lets allow some profit making organisation into the equation, that's bound to help. Catch me a bike thief and leave me in a room with him for 20 minutes then post a video of the mess I make of the slimy twat on youtube. sorted.
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Post by priceyla on Jul 21, 2012 14:48:34 GMT
Having twice been done I have just invested in this combo... www.torc-anchors.com/proddetail.php?prod=Torc1-P16-x.x-UntouchableI didn't comprehend just how thick 16mm chain was until it arrived this morning Also bricked up the front of the garage and put in a solid hardwood door with two sash locks, both toughened steel so they can't be hacksawed. Was toying with the idea of a safehouse within the garage with another brick structure and further hardwood door, but thought that would be too much!!! Wasn't a cheap option, but once the anchor is fitted this week I'm going to contact my insurance as my premium has almost doubled as a result. I've also been given responsibility for bike thefts within Chester city center (think my boss wants someone with a vested interest in the subject!!), so if you live within that area and want some advice re bike security pop into the nick under the Town Hall... Excellent news that someone has some responsibility. So wheres my White Marin Palisades Trail that was nicked from outside Nicholas Street last year? At the time I reported it I was basically told I should have put more locks on it, checked it every five minutes and that there had been a lot of bike thefts and what did I expect them to do about it. I also got as far as 'mountain bike, white' before she lost interest and stopped taking details. The main problem facing us is that the consequences for bike theives simply dont exist. Maim the oxygen wasting scum, break their legs so they cant walk off with a bike. I have no idea why we live in a society that thinks that anyone perpetuating a crime has any rights. Locks/alarms/cctv are all absolute crap. what we need is a legal system that actually sends out a message that the consequences of stealing another persons property will be dire. dont get me started on insurance, mmmm thats a good idea lets allow some profit making organisation into the equation, that's bound to help. Catch me a bike thief and leave me in a room with him for 20 minutes then post a video of the mess I make of the slimy twat on youtube. sorted. I think you're missing the point. It's not up to the courts, it's up to the bike owner to reduce the chance of a theft occuring. I sympathise, as I have also had a Marin nicked, but thefts are opportunist. Most effective action is to remove the opportunity IMO. Good thread btw.
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Post by Mark hardtail dude on Jul 22, 2012 8:14:33 GMT
I cant disagree with you more pricyla. If you genuinely think that the solution to having you bike stolen is to add security, cost the thief time, etc you are small mindedly moving the problem elsewhere. Your right (most) thieves are opportunistic but why are you bent on addressing the symptom and not solving the problem. Once your bike is encased in concrete you'll force the thieving sods to up the game, get into your house and really go for gold. Sorry mate, everyone has an opinion but this 'make it harder' ethos makes me sick because its funamentally selfish and self-serving without addressing the core issue. We as a society need the power to protect its own, not hide our stuff away in a corner and hope the problem will go away. It saddens me to read a post like 'I dont ride my bike in town because of the attention' etc, FFS you've PAID for the right to ride that bike.
And WTF are you guys on when you think CCTV is an answer? Great, now you've now paid 200 extra quid for a high res image of some scumbag in a hoodie making off with your bike. Even if the police recognise the lowlife without the bike they've got nothing on him and by the time the police get moving its long been swapped with his lowlife inbred tribe for booze/drugs etc. Do you really think that he looks at you camera and goes' ooooh, better not steal that bike because they might see through my hoodie, actually recognise me, find where I stash it to use as evidence, get it to court, ignore my 'deprivation' stories, and actually pass a sentance that might inconvenience me in some way' IMO the only way CCTV will work is if you hang them with the coaxial cabling.
Beat them absolutely within an inch of their lives, and if you go too far on a few, oh well, what a loss to society. I genuinely dont see any other answer, or see the problem with this one.
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Post by Tarbo on Jul 22, 2012 14:28:20 GMT
My personal belielf on this, and in no way do I condone violence, but if someone breaks into my house / garage/ shed etc, they waiver any rights they have and I should be free from prosecution regardless of how injured they end up I would call 999, but think that an ambulance would be more appropriate than the police. That is my personal view, and not that as an administrator on this site. Anyway, this thread is digressing away from the original topic
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Post by bigoff1 on Jul 22, 2012 16:25:36 GMT
Very much the same as summittoppler leave in 1st gear but click down to highest gear when the s//thouse jumps on the bike for a quick get away it will drop down the gears and hopefuly take out his crown jewels or give you time to catch and throttle the S??T
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garnish
Have-a-go Hero
Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. ~Mark Twain, "Taming the Bicycle"
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Post by garnish on Jul 22, 2012 16:25:40 GMT
Mark your only addressing one particular scenario, one of which you actually catch them at it. The chances of you catching them at it or finding out who did it are extremely slim. To me this is the narrow view as your now talking about punishment( which is OK if you catch them) and not prevention. not flashing your bike around town is common sense,I'd be a bit embarrassed riding a big full suspension to tesco's, it doesn't look right and they are the bikes the thieves are mostly after. your asking for trouble. Not all thieves are opportunist,some are organised and always looking for a good/soft touch and won't just wait till your backs turned but wait and plan.they'll most definitely do it when your out and KNOW you wont be back for a good while and not risk getting caught and cop a good hiding.so I've got to ask myself what's the next best thing I can do to try and stop this happening, other than staying in,in wait, for the villains.
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Post by priceyla on Jul 22, 2012 17:46:54 GMT
Beat them absolutely within an inch of their lives, and if you go too far on a few, oh well, what a loss to society. I genuinely dont see any other answer, or see the problem with this one. So you're advocating corporal punishment as a solution? That's pretty bizarre to be honest, and it's not going to happen really is it? I think the thread is aimed more at preventing the theft occouring rather than how to punish the criminal.... Anyway I like to think having a dog in the house is a reasonably good deterrent, at least if i'm out he'll put up some resistance!
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Post by Mark hardtail dude on Jul 23, 2012 19:36:08 GMT
I give up. you lot go hide away your bikes and live with the consequences. each to his own. I personally will be advertising to the world that if anyone f***s with my bike I will destroy them. Its not personal, its a principle thing. To be honest I'd love to live in a society that did not tolerate crime but unfortunately I do not. I live in a society full of you whingers who think the answer is to meekly accept that the thief holds all the advantages. I'd absolutely love to live in a society where the police force I pay (very well) to protect both me and my property actually put some of that resource to good effect and set about actually deterring crime by administering some form of punishment for the perpetrators. I don't though do I.
It would even be as difficult to take if you lot didn't completely miss the point. its not about beating up thieves you morons, its about the thief understanding that his action will have a consequence. THAT is a deterrent. Its far more forward thinking than anything you have come up with. Yes it relies on catching one but if you skin that twat and put his head on a pole outside your castle his mates are going to have to REALLY want that bike.
I'm starting to understand I'm simply on the wrong side. The truth of the matter is a set of bolt cutters and a hoodie and I can stop expressing my pointless opinion on here and take solace in the fact that although I've had to take to crime to replace my Marin at least I'm stealing from a bunch of spineless wimps.
You'll know its me because the last footage you'll get is me winking at you as I steal your £200 camera equipment as well just to prove a point.
Of course I'm kidding, I mean, surely I'd get caught and locked up now wouldn't I?
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