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Post by sikora on Jul 4, 2008 22:03:45 GMT
My Juicy Three's are useless. Really let me down on the Llandegla Black Route last Tuesday (Although i cant blame them for my crash). I just felt they didn't give me enough control on the steep turns. Some of you may know that I'd planned on buying some Avid Juicy Carbon's last week, but in the end i bought some biking clothes instead Must of been a blessing in disguise, as i've found out that the Carbon's are no more powerful than the Three's anyway. So: What do you have on your bike? Do you recommend them? What made you choose them if they were bought as an upgrade? What size rotors are you running? Are there any other brakes you'd recommend? My biking style is far from Alpine stuff. I don't jump (Not intentionally anyway ). But i'm a bit on the heavy side. I tend to drag my brakes a bit on technical decents ,plus i like th fiddle with my brakes to get the fell right, especially the bite point - something my Juicy Three's wont let me do. So i guess i need something powerful enough to handle my weight behind them, offers good adjustability, and doesn't suffer from heat easily. Help! (I'm expecting some rave reviews of Hope brakes from some certain members )
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Post by xybadog on Jul 4, 2008 22:13:25 GMT
I've got the stock Giant MPH 160mm hydraulics on mine, these have had very good reviews, but they're bog-standard. The stopping power is very good, but I wouldn't recommend them as an after market upgrade.
The Avids have pretty poor write-ups, even though they're made by SRAM. Hope, from what I read absolutely everywhere, are the way to go. The Mono's are meant to be a very good upgrade.
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Post by sikora on Jul 4, 2008 22:29:57 GMT
The Giant MPH's are made by Hayes are they not? I like the adjustability that the Avid Tri-Align system offers - I can move where the caliper sits to stop any rubbing. I was tempted to just upgrade my rotors to 185mm, but then i still wont have the bite point adjuster. Shimano XT 2008 brakes have caught my eye (£180 @ Merlin) The Servowave is meant to add power, but is also meant to give a weird modulated feel. I think its one of those system i'd need to try on a bike before i bought These also have me drooling: www.bikeradar.com/news/article/new-shimano-saint-groupset-launched-158554 pot version of the XT's!!!! Not sure if they'd be overkill and too powerful though.
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Post by xybadog on Jul 5, 2008 9:15:46 GMT
I was reading about the Saint range a few weeks ago. They do look good, and I don't think an extra 50% stopping power is overkill. Probably quite expensive though, and it doesn't say what size the rotors are available in.
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rob
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Post by rob on Jul 5, 2008 9:34:41 GMT
I've got juicy three's on my new bike, not really tested them but moving from cable disks they seem ok. Is there any way to adjust them? ?
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Post by xybadog on Jul 5, 2008 9:40:19 GMT
I've got juicy three's on my new bike, not really tested them but moving from cable disks they seem ok. Is there any way to adjust them? ? There'll be a noticeable increase once they've bedded in properly. They shouldn't need adjusting, and I'm not too sure if they can be.
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Post by sikora on Jul 5, 2008 9:43:56 GMT
I've got juicy three's on my new bike, not really tested them but moving from cable disks they seem ok. Is there any way to adjust them? ? There is a reach adjustment screw on the Juicy Three lever, but if you have small hands - like i do, them adjusting it away from the handlebars is no use. A way of moving the pads closer to the disc is to remove the wheel and depress the lever a small amount, then refit the wheel It takes a little while to get it right - you may have to force the pads back out if they're too close and they rub. You'll have to centralise the caliper too, just undo the 2 bolts and tweak the caliper a bit. Even after doing this, theres still too much movement in the lever before engagement. and after a few miles, all that adjustment you've done is back to how it was before. I was reading about the Saint range a few weeks ago. They do look good, and I don't think an extra 50% stopping power is overkill. Probably quite expensive though, and it doesn't say what size the rotors are available in. £114 each at CRC - Thats Hope and Formula money, although it doesn't mention rotor size, and they're not available till August/September
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Post by martinw on Jul 5, 2008 10:48:36 GMT
I changed mine for HOPE's. Ive always had them, easy to maintain and you can buy any part for them online. If you are a bit on the heavy side the mono mini might not have the stopping power, Ive got them on my SCOTT and they do lack a little in power when you need it. That in mind I went up one when putting new ones on my Trek, I got the mono M4 with a 180 mm rotor on the front and a mono mini on the rear with a 160mm rotor These do have the stopping power and well worth the money. And you can get them colourcoded to your bike One thing you could consider is seeing as most of your stopping power is done with the front brake, why not just upgrade the front 1st and leave the back til later. Providing that is if you don't mind having 2 different brake levers. Ive not used anything but hope so thats all I know really. these are mine, Oggy went for the same.
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Post by sikora on Jul 5, 2008 10:57:04 GMT
Martin: didn't know you had an M4 on the front. Thought you had Mini's all round I take it the M4 is a 4 pot caliper? Hope's don't have a bite point adjuster do they? How do you find the lever travel? Does it have to be pulled quite a bit before engagement? What size rotor are you running on the front? What benefit does the floating rotor give?
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Post by martinw on Jul 5, 2008 11:11:19 GMT
Got mini's all round on th Scott, I put them on thee because with it being Carbon its a light bike and not too heavy to stop. even then it does lack.
I went with bigger a brake on the front on the TREK purely because of the type of bike and I knew I would ride it harder, and I knew that the mini wouldn't do the job.
They don't have a bite point adjuster, but you have plenty of lever adjustment on them. Don't quote me on this but I think they adjust themselves because they are a closed system. I will have to cast my eye over the manual for you.
Have a look at the link to Hope user manuals in the 'pit stop' section, might tell you there.
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Post by sikora on Jul 5, 2008 23:04:17 GMT
Xybadog can comfirm how rubbish my Juicy Three's are! They were pathetic today at Llandegla. The lever even reached the handle bar at times
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Post by xybadog on Jul 6, 2008 8:02:31 GMT
Yep, they're definitely not right. I'd definitely mention it to the bike shop though. Pressure them into taking a look if you need to.
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Post by martinw on Jul 6, 2008 10:59:17 GMT
Have you checked that there isnt a fluid leak anywhere on them? the levers shouldn't pull in that far, I take it theres plenty still on your pads too? Probably worth dropping them into where you bought your bike for them to take a look. If you do decide to buy new ones you will make some money back on ebay for your 3's
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Post by sikora on Jul 6, 2008 11:12:13 GMT
Haven't noticed any fluid leak. But it does feel as if there isn't enough fluid in there. Half the lever travel doesn't actually move the piston in at all.
What annoys me the most is that i asked the bike shop to look at the brakes when the bike was serviced, but doesn't look like they'd touched them.
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Post by Rob on Jul 6, 2008 14:34:00 GMT
Dan how much are you willing to pay for new brakes???
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