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Post by Oggy on Sept 26, 2008 15:16:06 GMT
Mad for it, like ya say would be a big shame to loose the right to ride snowdon althogether. Is there any sort of fine in place for riders using it durin the ban, if there aint then perhaps people may think twice if there was.
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Post by martinw on Sept 26, 2008 15:32:26 GMT
From what I gather, they were going to ban bikes off the mountain all together, but they came up with this voluntary ban agreement, so what that means is you can still ride up there during the banned period but they ask bikers not to, kind of a gentlemans agreement. Its not a total ban its a polite way of asking not to so you dont have confrontations with walkers.
So although some people ride up there within the ban period you wont get thrown off the mountain or dragged to court, it just gets frowned heavily uppon by the likes of the national park and the mountain rescue guys.
I need to get more info from the national park chick to see why it all came about and also whats right and whats wrong.
They have given us a piece of rope and if riders dont screw the nut we will hang ourselves and it will all be over, then all you can do is look at the mountain sat on your bike from the lakeside.
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Post by ftasb on Sept 26, 2008 16:21:22 GMT
Personally i don't think following the voluntary restrictions is too much to ask from MTBers.
There are plenty of opportunities to ride either side of the stated times / dates.
Anyway, why the fook would you want to ride in the middle of the summer and risk ploughing over / through the hundreds of walkers that also use the mountain? The endless stop / start / please can i come through can't make for an enjoyable ride.
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Post by sikora on Sept 26, 2008 16:35:00 GMT
How about arranging large rides for the day before the ban starts and another the day after it finishes next year? Could make it for charity like the H4H ride - Maybe raise cash for the Moutain Rescue?
If its promoted well enough, it could be a way of actually advertising that there is a ban in the first place
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Post by martinw on Sept 26, 2008 16:36:38 GMT
Good plan.  |
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Post by dyls on Sept 26, 2008 17:06:34 GMT
On a side note I'd be interested to see how they could implement a mtb ban as they'd need to change the bridleways on snowdon into footpaths.
Again I'm not sure they could just do this without a public consultation/public inquiry as it would affect equestrians as well.
Anyway back on topic.
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Post by Doug on Sept 26, 2008 19:07:35 GMT
Its not a total ban its a polite way of asking not to so you dont have confrontations with walkers. So although some people ride up there within the ban period you wont get thrown off the mountain or dragged to court, it just gets frowned heavily uppon by the likes of the national park and the mountain rescue guys. That's my point, it's all about minimizing the conflict. I reckon the Llanberis path is too busy to be ridden down on pretty much any weekend of the year and so don't ride it whether the agreement says I can or not. Even on quietest of winter days the Llanberis path sees more traffic than either the Rangers or Rhyd Ddu path. IMO There is however little or no impact riding down the other two bridleways all year during the week and even at weekends except for Bank Holidays and a couple of the busier June and July Sundays. |
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Post by martinw on Sept 26, 2008 19:42:46 GMT
Im in the process of getting the why's and what's about this volunatry ban, It will be interesting to see what the score is with it.
Dyls had a good point here-On a side note I'd be interested to see how they could implement a mtb ban as they'd need to change the bridleways on snowdon into footpaths.
Again I'm not sure they could just do this without a public consultation/public inquiry as it would affect equestrians as well.
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However Im sure that if the national park wanted to they could put a damn good case together to get bikes off the mountain.
I for one respect the agreement and I wont use any of the paths within the given times.
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Post by Doug on Sept 26, 2008 20:31:22 GMT
It's easy to do with a local Bylaw.
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Post by spinner on Sept 30, 2008 9:38:03 GMT
I've ridden Snowdon 4 times and always before the May bank Holiday or after the August Bank Holiday. May - August there was no riding in the day only the early am or evening. Have these times changed as it's been a couple of years since I last went up? 2 hrs riding up alongside the railway (mostly rideable) and 20mins down the same way was best time we did it, but were in ice and snow for the top couple of hundred metres.
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Post by ftasb on Sept 30, 2008 10:02:27 GMT
Current voluntary restrictions, taken from the SNPA website, are as follows - Linky - SNPA |
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Post by martinw on Oct 4, 2008 20:59:55 GMT
This is part of a reply to an email i sent to the Snowdonia NPA explaining where the Snowdon 'agreement' originated.
The Snowdon Voluntary Cycling Agreement (not a ban) has been in effect since the early 90s'. It was born out of complaints made by a large number of walkers who had been physically involved in collisions with mountain bikers descending Snowdon . There was a strong lobby for an outright ban. The Warden Service sought a compromise and arranged a meeting with all representatives thought to have a current interest:
· British Cycling Federation
· British Mountain Biking
· Countryside Council for Wales
· Cyclists Touring Club
· Gwynedd County Council
· North Wales Mountain Biking Association
· Snowdonia National Park Authority
· Sports Council of Wales
There are some anti social cyclists, who ignore the Agreement, but gladly these are few, and fortunately to date, they have not greatly upset the integrity of the compromise.
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